Mini-puzzles

Discussion in 'Fan & Sandbox Missions' started by Asariel, Sep 22, 2014.

  1. Asariel

    Asariel Division-79

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    speaking of needing asprin, i cant figure this one out. It's something really simple, isn't it?
     
  2. Zargh

    Zargh Moderator

    At least its really simple to google it.. :)

    I apologize, but for me as a non english, i never would have found the solution without google, sorry :)
     
  3. Asariel

    Asariel Division-79

    I am ashamed...I finally googled the answer to the 'and' puzzle. :(

    Here's one I remember seeing in Asimov's Science Fiction as a child:

    To please my love I must plant a grove
    of ten tall trees in five straight rows
    each row of trees must have only four
    Else my love will come no more

    (I also love how puzzles seem so obvious to the maker, and so flummoxing to the solver!)
     
  4. Vismal

    Vismal Gold Member

    At first I thought they were in a circle and you were looking at the grove on the ground, so you could only see 5 rows...but then they wouldn't be 4 trees per row.
    That sentence is a bit different, so I think something's up there. I'll think about it some more.
     
  5. Asariel

    Asariel Division-79

    Well, I am doing it purely from memory of when I was 9, so it might be a bit off. It is ten trees in five rows, with four trees per row, that I am sure of.
     
  6. Rowyne

    Rowyne Division-79

    I too succumbed to google to find the answer to the 'and' puzzle. It was driving me crazy, and honestly not sure I would have solved it without help :(
     
  7. Asariel

    Asariel Division-79

    Me either..as a teacher, it is correct, but still makes my head hurt.
     
  8. Zerosh

    Zerosh Sleeper Agent

    Cryptography Time!

    ZAUFUHYMPMBDCUYEMDIQPKEXHSTPGYRGPXCHHOKFFHWJLCAPHNWYBDRNUZSZPMPBGTKNMIZYHFRPYMSWIFHCYVRCJLUARTBUIJQSBPUBKYUDZGKWEYOSWUBJBGPWQSZFTPNCHSCPZZJRUGWWCAXRAXHZYFCQHYHGVYGYKJTUCVHTNALNLAJJFFRJQLDZPGCKORUCVHCUVBCHVWITNCPBKOJQONBCNTPMPNHCJBCIZPFNZJFCPWECRAYVLSSWXJZCUGDJCQGYVEYIJSQNAHRLCJLHUVANPCALQRLKRKSNHTNPPNGOIDHNBKHSIJSQNA

    ^ This is Hard Mode you can PM me for Medium Mode and Easy Mode if you feel this is too much for you.
    Hints:
    • The key is not case sensitive.
    • It's not a simple alphabet substitution.
    • If you decipher it, you'll get a beautiful song.
    Extra points for the ones who tell me the name of the song ;)

    EDIT:
    • No spaces
     
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  9. Vismal

    Vismal Gold Member

    Did you include spaces in there?
    I am just wondering due to having split and replaced the letters in Hex and Substitution a few times and I still end up with free characters, so I'm wondering if there's spaces or if the words are just scrunched up.
     
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  10. thatangryviking

    thatangryviking Viking Turkey | The Bot Slayer

    He's clearly gone mad...mad I tell you..
     
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  11. Zerosh

    Zerosh Sleeper Agent

    No spaces :)
     
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  12. Asariel

    Asariel Division-79

    This one is driving me nuts. Last night I dreamed I cracked it, and it was the theme song to Ghostbusters. I shit you not. I am not giving up yet, but I am getting there...
     
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  13. Santiak

    Santiak MIA

    *looks up from the plethora of notes of columnar transposition ciphers and eyeballs Zerosh*
     
  14. Santiak

    Santiak MIA

    Been running it through Vigenere, considering they usually do not include spaces in the cipher text, only problem is I have no idea what the key may be, among others, I've tried:

    THE, TBW, SONG, LYRICS, BEAUTIFUL, ZEROSH, EREN, JAEGER, KEY, FUN, DIV.

    Sadly nothing.

    Considering there's an almost equal distribution of letters, I also tried simply splitting the message into pairs of two, but alas; zilch.

    Edit: Worth noting is that frequency analysis suggests the keyword is either 3 or 9 letters in length, which corresponds with what Zargh found.
     
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  15. Vismal

    Vismal Gold Member

    I wanna try putting them on a string and roll them up on a toilet paper husk...
     
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  16. Zerosh

    Zerosh Sleeper Agent

    Since I don't want to drive you mad I'm posting the cypher I used:
    Don't continue if you don't want to now the exact cypher I used
    AB
    abcdefghijklm
    nopqrstuvwxyz

    CD
    abcdefghijklm
    znopqrstuvwxy

    EF
    abcdefghijklm
    yznopqrstuvwx

    GH
    abcdefghijklm
    xyznopqrstuvw

    IJ
    abcdefghijklm
    wxyznopqrstuv

    KL
    abcdefghijklm
    vwxyznopqrstu

    MN
    abcdefghijklm
    uvwxyznopqrst

    OP
    abcdefghijklm
    tuvwxyznopqrs

    QR
    abcdefghijklm
    stuvwxyznopqr

    ST
    abcdefghijklm
    rstuvwxyznopq

    UV
    abcdefghijklm
    qrstuvwxyznop

    WX
    abcdefghijklm
    pqrstuvwxyzno

    YZ
    abcdefghijklm
    opqrstuvwxyzn

    ^ This is significant.

    I'll give you a hint for the key in the following days ;)
     
  17. bljkr

    bljkr Gold Member

    No torture, Zerosh?

    Cipher Text Analytics garnered using tools/calculations found here: https://sites.google.com/site/bionspot/cipher-id-tests
    len: 318 IC: 42 MIC: 68 MKA: 65 DIC: 23 EDI: 22 LR: 7 ROD: 54 LDI: 421 SDD: 120
    len = length.
    IC = Index of Coincidence times 1000.
    MIC = max IC for periods 1-15, times 1000.
    MKA = max kappa for periods 1-15, times 1000.
    DIC = Digraphic Index of Coincidence, times 10000.
    EDI = DIC for even numbered pairs, times 10000.
    LR = Long Repeat (percentage of 3 symbol repeats).
    ROD = percentage of odd-spaced repeats to all repeats.
    LDI = average English log digraph score.
    SDD = average English single letter - digraph discrepancy score.

    Number of standard deviations from averages for each cipher type:
    Beaufort 3
    period 7 Vigenere 3
    Porta 4
    Quagmire4 4
    Quagmire3 4
    Quagmire2 4
    Vigenere 4
    Gronsfeld 5
    RunningKey 5
    Vigslidefair 6
    Trifid 6
    Bifid6 7
    Cmbifid 7
    Bifid7 7
    Portax 7
    Seriatedpfair 7
    Nicodemus 7
    Digrafid 8
    Ragbaby 9
    Phillips 9
    Trisquare 9
    Trisquare HR 10
    Gromark 12
    Playfair 13
    Vigautokey 13
    FracMorse 14
    Periodic gromark 14
    6x6Bifid 14
    Twosquarespiral 14
    Progkey beaufort 14
    Progressivekey 15
    Four_square 15
    6x6Playfair 15
    Patristocrat 15
    Two square 16
    Bazeries 16
    Randomtext 17
    Route Transp 19
    Redefence 24
    Swagman 25
    NihilistTransp 25
    Myszkowski 26
    Cadenus 26
    Columnar 27
    Grille 31
    DoubleCheckerBoard 31
    Amsco 33
    Plaintext 48
    Tridigital 579
    Nihilistsub 581
    MonomeDinome 585
    Randomdigit 599
    Morbit 611
    Grandpre 613
    Homophonic 648
    Pollux 59100

    Results from AAHJU's Vigenere Family ID Test (will point you in the direction of Zerosh spoiler, so forwarned)
    Cipher length: 318 -- ACA recommended maximum period for non-autokey cipher is 32
    Best score is 766 for period 9 Porta cipher

    And results from running the 'random forest of 30 decision trees from that site: (same warning as the Family test)
    len: 318 IC: 42 MIC: 68 MKA: 65 DIC: 23 EDI: 22 LR: 7 ROD: 54 LDI: 421 SDD: 120
    DIV_2: Y,DIV_3: Y,DIV_5: N,DIV_25: N,DIV_4_15: Y,DIV_4_30: Y,PSQ: N
    HAS_L: Y, HAS_D: N, HAS_J: Y, HAS_H: N, DBL: Y
    A_LDI 607 , B_LDI 625 , P_LDI 766 , S_LDI 609 , V_LDI 623 , NOMOR 238 , RDI 438
    PTX 423 , NIC 46 , PHIC 41 , HAS_0 N , BDI 195 , CDD 204 , SSTD 39
    ------------------
    Consensus is Porta with 23 votes out of 30

    vote distribution:
    Porta 23
    Quagmire 3
    Cmbifid 1
    Beaufort 1
    Vigenere/Variant 1
    Slidefair 1

    Stats abbrevations:
    len = length. IC = Index of Coincidence times 1000. MIC = max IC for periods 1-15, times 1000.
    MKA = max kappa for periods 1-15, times 1000. DIC = Digraphic Index of Coincidence, times 10000.
    EDI = DIC for even numbered pairs, times 10000. LR = Long Repeat (percentage of 3 symbol repeats).
    ROD = percentage of odd-spaced repeats to all repeats. LDI = average English log digraph score.
    SDD = average English single letter - digraph discrepancy score.
    Extended stats:
    DIV_2 = length divisible by 2, DIV_3 = length divisible by 3, DIV_5 = length divisible by 5
    DIV_25 = length divisible by 25, DIV_4_15 = length divisible by integer between 4 and 15
    DIV_4_30 = length divisible by integer between 4 and 30, PSQ = length is perfect square.
    HAS_L = cipher has letters, HAS_D = cipher has digits, HAS_H = cpher has '#' symbol, HAS_J = cipher has a J
    DBL = cipher has even length and a doubled letter at an even position.
    Vigenere family stats:
    A_LDI = Log digraph score for Autokey, B_LDI = Log digraph score for Beaufort, P_LDI = Log digraph score for Porta
    S_LDI = Log digraph score for Slidefair, V_LDI = Log digraph score for Vigenere
    Other stats:
    NOMOR = Normal Order, RDI = Reverse log digraph score., PTX = Log digraph score for Portax, NIC = max Nicodemus IC for periods 3-15.
    PHIC = Phillips IC, HAS_0 = Digital cipher that includes a zero. , BDI = max Bifid DIC for periods 3-15
    CDD = max Columnar SDD score for periods 4 to 15, SSTD = the max STD score for Swagman, periods 4 to 8.

    ZAUFUHYMP MBDCUYEMD IQPKEXHST PGYRGPXCH HOKFFHWJL CAPHNWYBD RNUZSZPMP BGTKNMIZY HFRPYMSWI FHCYVRCJL UARTBUIJQ SBPUBKYUD ZGKWEYOSW UBJBGPWQS ZFTPNCHSC PZZJRUGWW CAXRAXHZY FCQHYHGVY GYKJTUCVH TNALNLAJJ FFRJQLDZP GCKORUCVH CUVBCHVWI TNCPBKOJQ ONBCNTPMP NHCJBCIZP FNZJFCPWE CRAYVLSSW XJZCUGDJC QGYVEYIJS QNAHRLCJL HUVANPCAL QRLKRKSNH TNPPNGOID HNBKHSIJS QNA
     
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  18. Vismal

    Vismal Gold Member

    I'll be honest; I have no idea what you all posted...like, it's not just reading material, I'd have to actually spend time to figure out what I'm looking at and how to apply it. Oh boy! Hardmode indeed.
     
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  19. Santiak

    Santiak MIA

    *suspects he has it*

    Sent you my offer at a solution, Zerosh. :)

    I won't give away the solution, of course. But unless it turns out I didn't happen across a random set of words that still managed to not only make sense, but also be the lyrics to a song, I can say as much as that you are on the right track. :)
     
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  20. Zerosh

    Zerosh Sleeper Agent

    Wow, just... wow :eek:

    I don't know if tomorrow I'll have time so I'm posting the hint now before going to bed. But as @Santiak said, with my previous hint and what @bljkr posted you almost have it.

    Hints to find the key:
    Key lenght: 9 characters
    Key hint: red lion rampant regardant
     
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